"Raphael Orlove" (orlove)
01/09/2014 at 13:53 • Filed to: Help Me Russia You're My Only Hope | 0 | 18 |
I would love to know what !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! says, but I don't speak Russian. Does anybody here?
Basically, I'm trying to see if I can find proof that this Samara T3 was basically a Porsche 959 rebodied as a Lada.
STREPITUS
> Raphael Orlove
01/09/2014 at 13:57 | 0 |
When do you need this buy? I can get around to it later today.
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> Raphael Orlove
01/09/2014 at 13:59 | 0 |
"The T3, however, didn't contain many Samara parts, using the Porsche 959 's four-wheel drive system and a 3.6-litre Porsche flat-six. It was developed by French concessionaire Lada-Poch together with NAMI and the Tupolev aerospace company. [8] "
With a quick Wikipedia search. I think the 959 had a 2.8L right? So it wasn't a rebody, it just used the 4WD system.
> Raphael Orlove
01/09/2014 at 14:02 | 2 |
I can translate the whole thing tonight when I get home from work but the gist of it is that they were trying to compete with Peugeot. They used 3.6 liter motor from Porsche 959 along with 6 speed tranny and driveline. It's using tube frame with plastic body panels. It's using Bilstein suspension. 2 shocks in the front and springs with 2 shocks in the back.
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> Raphael Orlove
01/09/2014 at 14:17 | 0 |
No can't read Russian or cyrrilic squiqly. A google search of Samara and 959 has tons of results for the T3 having the 959 motor, transmission, and awd system but none of them are what I'd bet my life on. Looks olike your theory holds though.
Raphael Orlove
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01/09/2014 at 14:22 | 0 |
This is pretty helpful actually. Thanks!
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01/09/2014 at 14:23 | 0 |
Correction - 2 springs and 2 shocks in the front and 2 springs and 3 shocks in the rear.
> Raphael Orlove
01/09/2014 at 14:33 | 0 |
Let me know if you need the whole thing translated.
Raphael Orlove
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01/09/2014 at 14:37 | 0 |
I think I'll be fine without a full translation. It looks like you hit the main points, and I now have a decent source for knowing what was carried over from the Porsche 959 and what wasn't.
Roberto G.
> Raphael Orlove
01/09/2014 at 14:38 | 0 |
Too bad that we can't copypasta a magazine into Google Translator...
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...anyone got OCR?
Sir Halffast
> Raphael Orlove
01/09/2014 at 15:07 | 0 |
Likewise, I don't have time to translate the whole thing, but a cursory glance checks out.
Raphael Orlove
> Sir Halffast
01/09/2014 at 15:14 | 0 |
thanks, man
STREPITUS
> Raphael Orlove
01/09/2014 at 16:46 | 1 |
I took some freedoms to make it make sense in English, but here's what you have. I did get a bit confused with some of the acronyms so I transliterated them and will try to track down what they mean shortly.
Battle Disguise "Samara"
The idea to build a rally raid car based on the Lada Samara was born a while ago in the offices of the company 'Lada-POK' which sells Soviet cars in France. How ever, due to a lack of financial resources there was no hurry to make it a reality.
The push for the practical realization of this idea was the ban of turbo engines in the Paris-Dakar rally. According to the POK company director, Jean Jacuqe, only with these conditions could they compete with Peugeot's more financial capable team.
Last March, the gears began to turn. POK signed a contract with Oreka, a company that prepared sports cars and conducted research and development in the field of automotive SERA (?), to build a prototype based on the "eighth" model of the Volga.
Right off the bat we'll mention that due to the technical requirements of such a car, the prototype will only superficially resemble the original car. So from the production Lada the French rally car only borrowed its windshield, headlights, taillights, door locks, and emblem on the grille.
When the main specifications of the prototype, named Samara T3, were established, an unexpected message came from FISA (?). Under increased pressure from the powerful peugeot, the band of turbo engines in the rally was lifted. It was too late to change anything. The designers chose the 3.6L Porsche motor, specially prepared in the United States. The basics of the car consisted of a tubular space frame skeleton and carbon fiber body panels. The six-speed transmission and all wheel drive drivetrain were borrowed from from the Porsche 959.
A special system allowed you to adjust the torque distribution between the front and rear wheels. Interestingly, this system was previously tested in a Porsche 959 Dakar car.
The suspension was a double wishbone setup. The front wheels had two dampers and springs, and the rear had three dampers and two springs. The whole set from Bilstein (?).
Based on the design concept, the Samara T3 is very similar to the prototype Peugeot in the middle. According to Patrick Tambay, a famous racer, the rear engined layout of the Lada gave it some advantages at high speed driving over rough terrain - when jumping, the nose doesn't dip as much.
The Lada is less thirsty than the Peugeot too. Nevertheless, due to the extreme lengths of some of the Paris-Dakar stages, the designers gave it four fuel tanks. The main 150 liter tank was mounted in back under the spare wheel. Two more 60 liter tanks under the seats, and another one of the same capacity in front. Switching the tanks was carried out by the co-pilot.
The dashboard on the Samara T3 was more like a plane's than an automobiles. Two electronic compasses. Tumbler switches for the fuel pumps. Guages for the oil pressure in the engine and gearbox, front and rear axles, battery voltage, two navigational computers with hand or foot resets. According to our Sergey Dadvani, who together with Eugene Tumalyavichyusom (?) drove the Samara T3 at the Tunisia-90 rally, the foot reset is actually very convenient as its hard to get a finger on a small button when the car is violently shaking.
Behind the seat backs are two canisters of water from which the crew can drink through a straw without being distracted from the road.
There were three Samara T3s built which are almost indistinguishable from one another. Only Tambay's car was specifically equipped with a cigarette lighter by the caring Oreka engineers for his smoking navigator, Dominique Lemoine.
The unanimous opinion of racers who spoke about the Samara rally raid car - Jackie Ickx, Patrick Tambz , Eugenijus Tumalyavichyusa , Jerome Riviera, the machine has excellent prospects, and will fight for a podium finish at the next Paris-Dakar Rally.
S. NECHAYUK
Technical characteristics of the Lada Samara T3
Length -4315mm
Width - 1800mm
Height - 1690mm
Wheelbase - 2100mm
Track front/rear - 1500mm
Weight - 1315kg
Engine - Porsche, 6 cylinder
Stroke - 76.4mm
Bore - 100mm
Displacement - 3.6L
Power - 300hp @ 1000rpm
Torque - 34 (not sure what unit) @ 4500rpm
Transmission - 6 speed, two disk clutch with hydraulic drive
Brakes - Vented discs, 304mm diameter
Wheels - Aluminum alloys 7x16
Tires - Michelin 18/13R16 GR3
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> Raphael Orlove
01/09/2014 at 16:48 | 0 |
Sunnova bitch Kinja!
Typed up the whole translation, pressed submit, it showed up in the comments, and now its gone! Well.... time to start over.
Raphael Orlove
> STREPITUS
01/09/2014 at 17:00 | 1 |
it did save, have no fear! It's all right here: http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/i-took-some-fr…
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STREPITUS
> Raphael Orlove
01/09/2014 at 17:06 | 0 |
Oh awesome! Hooray! Now I can stop typing take 2 and get back to work!
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> Raphael Orlove
01/09/2014 at 19:50 | 0 |
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coqui70
> Raphael Orlove
01/10/2014 at 00:15 | 1 |
It says "On first try we steal parts from Lada Niva factory #4 in Volgograd ... when put together it become T-72 tank with extra fuel tank ... Yevgeny was very mad but three litres of vodka later we decided to try again. Together with Ytzbal and that funny looking kid with a limp that had come back from the Afghan Expedition in '79 we go to Lada Samara factory #11 all the way in friggin' Yekarinstopan.
It was very uncomfortable in Mihail's Ural due to the light blizzard but upon arrival we enjoyed some borscht (sic?) with musk ox testicle meat in it! Mihail's uncle was manager of factory and made fake work permits in exchange for old Beatles record and contraband french cigarettes - slightly less tasting of turpentine than local lungblacky brand.
We go in back and find old German - some say he is Nazi but he look ok to us. He show us plans while muttering something about a Furry or Ferry-stealing-sonombitchsky and helps us put vehicle together. Apart from horrendous gear whine that make ears bleed and exhaust fumes in cabin (just open window like with old Volga) the machine was a strong runner ..."
Either that or some bullshit about the technical superiority of Soviet engineering and how they could have won the Cold War if Gorbachev hadn't had the hots for Nancy.
DontMakeMeUseTheAllCapsKey
> Raphael Orlove
01/10/2014 at 16:27 | 1 |
wow. that was a lot of work by CrzRsn. Great save Raphael! have a super weekend, both you and CrzRsn!